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Nov 15, 2008 19:06:13 GMT -5
Post by soulkiller288]>USK<[ on Nov 15, 2008 19:06:13 GMT -5
just a simple thread about one of the biggest issues we are facing right now should we continue our dependency on foriegn (i know i misspelled it leave me alone) oil or should we start drilling in our own reserves
quick fact, please dont let it affect you reply: there is a HUGE oil reserve right below NYC! (new york city)
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Nov 15, 2008 23:58:59 GMT -5
Post by phantomvirus on Nov 15, 2008 23:58:59 GMT -5
I wish america would depend on itself for oil and not depend on other countires (especially islamic and dictator countrys) for their oil. Right now theres tons of oils in the sea just ready to be drilled, but all those animal lovers say it will ruin the environment. Not to mention that as you said there are some big oil reserves in america, but still it would take tons, of tons, of tons, of oils to fuel the trillions of cars in america. Still the only way we will be able to drill in america, is if we can make some kind of compromise with animals lovers. Also ethonal may be a solution but we'd need a heck of alot more corn to make it possable...
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P.S good debate soul, though I don't think you'll find many opposing views...
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Nov 16, 2008 8:32:19 GMT -5
Post by 125man on Nov 16, 2008 8:32:19 GMT -5
civilization lived once without it. All we have to do is find a another source. Even if it is synthetic oil why should we depend on other countries. we have the knowledge and resources at our fingertips.are we so ignorant that we cannot help our selves. This is my personal opinion.
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Nov 16, 2008 9:34:04 GMT -5
Post by binerexis on Nov 16, 2008 9:34:04 GMT -5
I personally don't care where people get their fossil fuels from as long as wars don't get started over it.
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Nov 16, 2008 13:33:38 GMT -5
Post by (A.S.S)Phydeau on Nov 16, 2008 13:33:38 GMT -5
I wish america would depend on itself for oil and not depend on other countires I can wish that a hamburger would feed a family of 5 too. We (The United States) currently consume 25% of the world's resources while producing only a little over 10% of the world's usage. We live in a consumer based society. For your wish to be attained, it would take far more than just finding more deposits of oil. We would have to make RADICAL changes to EVERY aspect of our lives. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US. Oil means more than just gasoline for your cars and diesel fuel for your trucking industry. Oil provides plastics, nylons, lubricants, a vast line of chemical needs and even greatly affects some areas of pharmaceutical needs. Oil touches EVERY aspect of your daily life. Very few people realize the national disaster that would follow if we ran out of oil tomorrow. Few people realize that at the level of consumption the world uses right now there is NO substitute for oil. Eco-fuels are awesome, don't produce enough to provide the demand. Solar is amazing ... doesn't produce enough to reach current demands. Wind, hydro, hydrogen, eco-fuels, clean-coal etc etc all COMBINED will not meet the current demand. To end dependency upon oil would require that everyone totally redefine their current lifestyle. As well as new methods of handling the trucking industry's needs. Its simply the only way it would ever happen.
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Nov 16, 2008 16:37:18 GMT -5
Post by spike on Nov 16, 2008 16:37:18 GMT -5
The best solution I can think of to almost abolish the use of fossil fuels for an energy source is hydrogen. It can be used to run cars, buses, trucks, ships airplanes? (maybe after some research it'll be possible or maybe I just haven't done enough research). It can boil water to make turbines turn like in electrical power plants since the reaction between hydrogen and oxygen is very violent and generates alot of heat and power. We'd need to find alternatives for pharmaceutical and other necessities. That change(if it happens at all) will take 20+ years at least and we'll need to put in place a lot of safety measures since hydrogen is extremely volatile but so is oil to an extent. There is certainly another way of life that everyone can live with that hardly involves the consumption of fossil fuels, I just hope Barrack Obama and other nations and leaders can move together and stop using fossil fuels almost entirely and to stop consuming more than the Earth can provide. Right now, we need something like 1.4 Earths to balance the rate of natural production to the rate of consumption. But that's another topis entirely.
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Nov 16, 2008 20:54:56 GMT -5
Post by Bluemoon]>USK<[ on Nov 16, 2008 20:54:56 GMT -5
Phydeau, I love you man. But you've been sold by the oil companies. The fact of the matter is that eliminating oil IS possible. Yes, oil is currently used in producing plastics. It's also true that there have been other methods of producing it. Monsanto developed a way to grow plastic in plants. It was developed in the 90's. Even more recently, Metabolix has managed to do it cheaper, and in a biofuel crop. The plastic requires less energy to make than standard petroleum products, and it's biodegradable which is another issue with our current plastics.
As far as energy needs? I haven't done the math on the usage vs production, so I'm not entirely sure. However I do know that as far as solar energy goes, the standard efficiency is around 12-18%. However, it has been proved possible to achieve 40.7%. That was a few years ago, and it eve might be higher now. While this might still not seem like all that much, look at the efficiency of cars, or even lightbulbs. Only around 16% of the energy you put into your car makes it go anywhere while only 5% of the energy you put into an incondescant lightbulb actually produces light.
Right, and who's fault is that? Bush+the oil companies. I'd really go into this, but I don't want to turn this into a political debate. Moving away from that, clean coal is evil. Why? There's no such thing as clean coal. It still contains sulfer that still is carried into the atmosphere to still cause acid rain.
Trillions of cars? Tons and tons and tons? If I remember right, it's around 60 billion (Gallons or drums I forget which, I'd need to check and edit it in).
Would you kindly give me your address? I wish to smack you. Oh, right. I need examples, reasoning, and facts to back up my wild claims. First, the reasoning! You remove something from the equation, the system goes out of whack and causes problems nobody could foresee. It's a simple concept, right? The drilling would be like taking a timebomb and placing it inside yourself. You're not sure when it will go off. But it will. Now for the evidence! Ever hear of the Hantavirus? I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't. It only surfaced in '93. People in the Four corners area started coming down with an unknown pulmonary disease. Nobody knew what it was, it hadn't been seen before. Short version was that several year long droughts, followed by heavy snow and rainfall server to decimate the predators of mice, then provide a significant boom to the mouse population. This increased the encounters between humans and mice, the carriers of the hantavirus. So, people died as a result of a change in the environment, like the drilling will cause changes in the environment... Anyone else think that's a bad idea?
So, those are my feelings on this whole topic.
ps: That hamburger can feed a family of 5. The amount of food fed to the cow in order to produce the... what? 1 oz of meat? Would be enough to feed that family of five for more than just one meal. You could probably get upwards of a few days out of it
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Nov 16, 2008 21:07:21 GMT -5
Post by phantomvirus on Nov 16, 2008 21:07:21 GMT -5
Okay first off, I didn't say I was pro drilling in the ocean or extra drilling in america.I only said because it would be the only way America could fuel itself and thats impossable because of the animal lovers. I'm all for the environment I was just showing the problems to soul killer with the reason why we don't drill so often. So please don't find my address and smash my face, I'm not pro ocean drilling. So moon I'm on your side. Secondly, unfortunatly if we eliminate the usage of outside oil, I believe the only answer would be coal until enough wind turbines and solar panels are placed. Also whats with the hamburger?
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Nov 16, 2008 22:00:01 GMT -5
Post by Rugal on Nov 16, 2008 22:00:01 GMT -5
Bluemoon is the man. He practically said everything I was gonna say and then some more. +1
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Nov 16, 2008 22:01:39 GMT -5
Post by Bluemoon]>USK<[ on Nov 16, 2008 22:01:39 GMT -5
You're right, you didn't say it. But based on the wording of your post, that's what it came out as. If you really aren't pro-drilling, I'm sorry. I could have sworn I put it in there, but I don't mean a total and abrupt conversion. That would be bad. A gradual conversion would be best, but we're running out of the time for it.
The hamburger thing was a reference to the beginning of Phydeau's post
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Nov 16, 2008 22:41:33 GMT -5
Post by (A.S.S)Phydeau on Nov 16, 2008 22:41:33 GMT -5
Rugal,
I'm all for changing everything over for any/all green energies available. I'm all for massive research into next gen sources. One point remains: We all have to drastically alter our lifestyles.
I plan to eventually get completely off the grid living on my own energy production. It really opens your eyes up to how much power we chew up when you start putting together plans for a solar or wind dc system.
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