"Phantom Apprentices" The gadflies of the server

[phantomvirus]

First of all please not I am not posting this to fight against Filak's Ruling. I shall obey his law to the end, right now apprentices cant calle me master, and I can't call them apprentices. Now the reason this is here is because I'm kinda confused as of why the rule was in place? If the only reason that its here is "because it annoys me" I find that a very poor reason. Being an nuisance is not against UT rules or server policy or I would've been muted a long time ago. Our group is not some cult trying to overthrow Filak!

We are just a group of guys who are playing on the server, wanting to have fun. The phantom apprentice thing is not a clan, its just of clubs of players who are learning the fine points of the game, or people I have taught a lesson or two, most of them obey the rules. THe only one who overblows the 'master' thing is Keaton. I have a knack for trying to be a leader on the mic, and a knack of finding people, mostly kids' who want to learn the tricks of the maps. I'm not brainwashing these people, and they can easily say 'no I dont want to be an apprentice'. A good portion of apprentices are kids ranging from middle school to high school who just want to serve their teams to its advantage. Sorry for this being so long, I just want to have fun with my apprentices thats all.

List of apprentice: Road Kill, Lt Death, 3rd destroyer, movie, lil slugger, monsterkiller, headhunter, hi my name is keaton, and our newest hollow. Most of them are kids, a few of them from abroad like England who just want to serve their teams. If this is wrong, then so be it, I just would like some causation for this rule besdies, 'its annoying' Most people here are adults, it puzzels me while a small annoyance is so revolting. Socrates considered himself a Gadfly, a nuisance, to society and look at him!

Remember, I am not arguin the ruling, it is law, I will not disobey Filak in any way, shape, or form. I'm just posting on the subject to see why this is such a problem. Again sorry for this being long. If you ahve a reason besides 'its annoying' I'd really like to hear it.

Remember: You Can't Stop the Virus!

P.S but you can sure take away his rights....

[ShoMeTheMoney]>USK<[]

Phantom your post is like your in-game chat, long winded and overstated. Besides that when your "apprentices" keep typing, "yes master" "ok master" "whatever you say master," it is teamhampering, as they are taking time to stop and type. But that is only a small reason.

The main reason i feel that this was a good call by filak is that it is EXTREMELY annoying to listen to them say master this and master that. Every single person plays this game because they enjoy it. They play on nachos and beer because it is one of the best servers in UT. Now when people are in that server annoying the crap out of you, there is nothing you can do to stop them, so you leave. As a server owner, the point of having a server is to keep it populated and if someone or some people are causing other people to leave the server, it is up to the server owner to decide what to do about it.

[ineedhelp}N{]

i personally dont think its the master thing thats annoying. Its the constant spamming of "phantom did i do good, phantom how am i doing, hello my apprentices, hello teacher" etc etc etc i could list them for hours quite honestly. I think its more due to the fact when you and a few of these so called apprentices are in game it quickly becomes the "phantom show" and its A: annoying B:spamming and C: quite honestly no offense to you but i think its causing you to have a huge ego. You say they arent rule breakers? well i for one can say atleast all of them more than once have broken atleast one rule more than once and its not upto you to constantly make excuses or say 'ill talk to them.' If they are big enough to play the game and buy it they should be big enough to follow what i see as simple rules.

Yes filaks word out ranks everyone elses on the situation but at the same time YOU and your so called apprentices do have to have some respect for other players in game, and what do i mean by that you might be asking yourself? Well its simple the spamming constantly of things like "hello my apprentices, hello teacher etc etc the cant stop the virus and so on does bother ALOT of players and not just admins and mods. I have atleast 1-3 people per day (some of which i barely know) ask me why your so full of yourself and my answer to them is i dunno ask him.

Now when people are in that server annoying the crap out of you, there is nothing you can do to stop them, so you leave

i agree with this completly ive seen people including myself leave because you and your so called apprentices are being that annoying and that full of it. Again nothing personal but you wanted reasons. Sorry the "annoying" reason doesnt seem to be sufficent to you but put yourself in numerous other players shoes. Me personally i used to respect the fact they were taking advice from you, ive taken advice from others for game tips from the likes of sho, spy, nojam, pi, rugal and more but honestly they dont get a big head or flaunt it they play the game for the same reason most others do and thats to enjoy it.

EDIT: the being the nuisance not against server or UT policy as you say isnt actually strictly true. One of the rules for the server (god i think ive memorized them) is do not harass other players, which infact you and your so called apprentices are doing to a certain degree. To be honest from reading all that you typed i think you have taken offense to the ruling by Filak

[Filak613]

As I stated before the "regulars" of the server are annoyed and bothered by this. I have received numerous complaints from several people within the community and from other communities. If you want to "train" them please do so elsewhere than come to the server and not pull this star wars childish behavior. To me this makes several people look bad as is seems to me personally that you are forming a cult like atmosphere and I will not have it on my server.

[ajb303}N{]

Hmmm...ouch. I'm sorry to say if offends anyone, but to all those who are "complaining", if this annoys you, GOOD LUCK IN LIFE. I play almost every other day and i have only once witnessed someone calling him "master". The people who are calling him that are the young players who don't know better, probably look up to him. Its a game. They don't mean anything by it. No harm done. Dunno. I do tip my hat twice to filak for caring for the server. As you see on other servers, some don't give two cents

[binerexis]

It also becomes a problem when you get players team switching repeatidly to be on the same team as 'master' which is against the server rules.

[Rugal]

Hey, since the message has been said and understood, can we just drop this?