Gay marrige, illegal?

[soulkiller288]>USK<[]

in my English class we were discussing this topic and what came up that i find to be highly unfair is that gay marriage in California is now illegal but before gay marriage WAS legal and now its not, so now any gays that were married, their marriage has be nullified *by law they are not married anymore* so do you think this is fair? should gay marriage be legalized?

[Rugal]

If people want to want to legally be bound to each other, why stop them if it will make them happy? It doesn't have to be a RELIGIOUS ceremony or anything like that, just a legal contract binding two people to each other. Just because some whack-job overzealous religious people want their way of life to be universal doesn't warrant isolating an entire population from doing something that they are legally entitled to. I do believe that this falls into the part of the Ninth Amendment of the constitution. For those who don't know what it says, allow me to tell you.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Marriage would most likely fall under this category, and it also falls into the bill of Separation of Church and State.

[ineedhelp}N{]

im all for same sex marriages. I have a few bi, homosexual and lesbian friends and they are people just like me and you. Just because their sexual preference is for the same sex erm so what? thats their choice. Let them be married. And although religious points are often shot down, go too far etc i do agree with rugal 200% all it is is some over zealous religious person/people thinking its a 'sin'

No wonder religion is as bashed as it is (and im not bashing it im all up for people having their beliefs i dont bash theirs they dont bash mine simple)

[Nojamforme]>USK<[]

So many people are getting divorced these days, that I think its fine to let anybody get married. Plus, as long as they're happy, who are we to say anything?

[phantomvirus]

Well Im guesing everyone knows my opinion on this but hey I shall post anyway! Soul good job on finally bringing up a valid debate Anyways I believe in the purity of marriage as between a man and a woman. Now I'm not saying all gays should be shot, thats their own preference, and hwo needs to be called "married" If they are together then why need that title. The only reason they want that title is to recieve benefits from the state. Heck I think it would be better if even married people didn't get tax benifits, then gays wouldn't complain about marriage so much. I'm against gays not only because of my religion but in my mind its kinda pointless medically in that you need a man and a woman to make a baby. I wont get into the religious stuff since you all know the answer anywho. Shoo what a mouthful... love debates

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[Rugal]

I am going to play devil's advocate for the Homosexuals on this debate.

Say I'm Bob, and I really like this guy named Joe. We meet and fall in love with each other. We get deep and decide that we want the relationship to go further, thus resulting in marriage. With the marriage, we feel that it will unite us both legally and socially, to display to the world our love for each other. Sure the tax benefits are a plus, but why get married only for such minor things? We feel that if the world's populace wasn't so ignorant in respecting other people's opinions and personal matters, we wouldn't have these people wanting to define a legal action to only a certain way. Since these punks in California and in other states are letting religion interfering with politics, why does our hopes have to be a consequence?

[binerexis]

Well marriage started as a religious thing but over the years it's come with a load of legal implications too. I don't see why people get so worked up over religions who say that homosexuals can't marry. If their religious beliefs say that you can't get married then sorry, you're going have to find a different religion who'll let you get married in their place of worship. In England, there's only one denomination of Christianity who'll let homosexuals marry and that's the Church of England who are constantly changing due to public opinion (it's the only church who will have female vicars).

However, like I said before, marriage is also seen as a legal thing. I don't know what it's like in America but here we have what's known as a 'Civil Partnership'. Basically you go to the town hall or other designated building and you have a non-religious ceremony. You can still have vows and even exchange rings if you want but there won't be any religious implication to any of it so the rings aren't necessary and you don't say prayers or anything. However, after everything's been signed, the law will then see you and your partner as a single entity the same as marriage does so you'll share debts, have to split assets if you separate and your partner as next of kin. It's the same thing that non-religious people do to get 'married' without going into a church. From that, I can see how they can make gay marriage illegal based on religious grounds (basically you can't sue a church if they say "No, you can't get married") but it would be unfair to make gay partnerships illegal.

[125man]

I do not believe in gay marriage.
We were created for man to be with woman. and woman to be with a man.
That is the way we were created. No matter if we came from the ocean are created by God. It is not feasible and mine eyes for two people of the same sex to be married.
This is my personal opinion.

[ineedhelp}N{]

so the only reason gays want to be married virus is to recieve benefits? sorry but thats a joke
There is thousands if not more same sex couples out there that both are in great paying jobs not getting no benefits and they cant show their love off by getting married? Is that fair?

For example one of the gay couples i know one of them is a doctor the other is a lawyer do you think they would get married just for benefits? With the money they will be making they will laugh at the thought of benefits.

As for the baby aspect of it NOT all same sex couples want a baby but lets face it some 'man and women' couples shouldnt have kids either but thats another debate entirely.

To me and im probably putting my foot in it but religion shouldnt be used in something like this, it clouds your personal judgement.

And we dont know why we were created or who to be with. If we were created just to be with "man and woman" partnerships then same sex couples wouldnt even exist which suggest to me its fine with 'god' so if hes fine with it why cant the rest of the religious people be fine with it.

Read the second paragraph by bin is that the next step not even allowing them to have a civil partnership marriage?

[[RG]ßäÐ-Gî®L]

I think that if the person is in love with another person of the same sex and they are happy why stop them from being together happy forever?

I'm not bisexual so I can't say that I PERSONALLY feel the same about guys and girls.

But, lets say that two of my friends are together and they are the same sex.
I would support them.

[binerexis]

"To me and im probably putting my foot in it but religion shouldnt be used in something like this, it clouds your personal judgement."



Marriage is a RELIGIOUS ceremony. It's only because of recent years and outcries for equality in absolutely everything that same sex marriages have even been considered. It's such a shame, in my opinion, that so many things now be them religious or not are changing in the world because a small group of people get offended or something. Look at what Christmas is now. You don't get the traditional Christmas play in schools, you don't get carols with religious themes and people in stores or whatever aren't allowed to say 'Merry Christmas', it has to be 'Happy Holidays'.

I don't know about in America but in England there's a Nursery Rhyme called 'Baa baa black sheep'. This is how it goes:

"Baa baa black sheep, have you any wool?
Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full.
One for the master,
One for the dame
And one for the little boy who lives down the lane."

It is now ILLEGAL to teach children that Nursery Rhyme because it's considered racist. At this rate, this quest for perfect equality is going to turn religion into a fallacy and turn Christianity into an underground book club.

[«PWC»Jon9908]

My only opinion is if some body wants to be gay and marry another guy\girl why stop them it doesn't bother you any that they are married! seriously what the hell is there marriage got anything to do with your life. So let them get married if they really want to whatever makes them happy. Life is all about making the best of it!

[ineedhelp}N{]

actually marriage does NOT have to be a religious ceremony at all. At the end of the day all marriage is (which is said at some ceremonies) is a bonding of two people. Some people get married just to show friends and family how commited and serious they are to each other nothing to do with religion at all

[ShoMeTheMoney]>USK<[]

Nov 13, 2008 20:03:13 GMT -5 soulkiller288]>USK<[ said:

gay marriage in California is now illegal but before gay marriage WAS legal and now its not, so now any gays that were married, their marriage has be nullified *by law they are not married anymore*

Now i'm not sure if the marriage has been nullified or not but i do know that gay married couples cannot claim the benefits that they once could.

And phantom, gay couples that are married do not receive that many benefits; only state ones. As the federal government does not acknowledge same sex couples as married, they are not privy to countless benefits. So i don't understand where you are coming from when you say they are getting only for the benefits.

But on the other hand as i live in califiornia, i did vote yes on prop 8. BUt not because i don't think gays should not be married. I really couldn't care less, but when gay couples start sueing churchs for discrimination because they won't marry them, that is a problem i have. I do not believe the government has the right to tell someone to go against what they believe morally to be correct.

* here is a list of all the benefits gay marriages are not privy to, federally(it's a pdf): www.gao.gov/new.items/d04353r.pdf

[Silent_Treatment]

Nov 14, 2008 14:18:02 GMT -5 binerexis said:

Marriage is a RELIGIOUS ceremony.

Period.

Personally, I wish the government would stay out of marriage altogether. If they want to recognize (and provide benefits for) Civil Unions, then do so. Let it apply GLOBALLY to all types of couples who wish to fill out the paperwork. Leave marriage to the churches, who are free to recognize or disallow any type of union they want. Don't like it? Join a church that matches your beliefs. That is how it has been forever with regards to any other aspect of religion. (unless you are the King of England in which case you just make your own church)

I've seen this argued before and while some may fervently disagree, I believe it boils down to semantics, although that far from a trivial thing. Imagine that the US DOT (http://www.dot.gov/) began to issue Eagle Scout badges as an award for safe driving. How do you think that would make existing eagle scouts that committed the time and effort to earn their badge feel? What if the USDA (http://www.usda.gov/) started handing out Purple Heart medals as an award for farmers? Think that wounded vets (and families) would be mad? You better believe it. That doesn't mean that these government agencies shouldn't recognize those people, it just means that they should stay away from handing out existing titles/awards.

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